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Running our Diaspora*, Twitter, and Facebook accounts is taking a lot of my time. It would be great if one or several people stepped up to help with this.

They would of course be added to the Liberapay team and be able to take money from it (see About Teams).

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In particular I have noted an openly neo-nazi white supremacist organisation being funded through your services. Do you have any policy on this matter?

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This is Liberapay's monthly "what's up?" thread. Previous: #18.

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This is Liberapay's monthly "what's up?" thread. Previous: #42.

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As a first step towards #29, @Zatalyz has asked me (in IRC) to compile a list of news about Liberapay that should be relayed on our social media accounts. I will strive to do so here.

Since we're already near the end of April this issue will also cover May, future ones will be for a single month.

Still haven't done that. Ideally, it would post:

• GitHub issues and pull requests (GitHub's stupid bot only posts PRs)
• New Liberapay teams and communities
• State changes of support requests (#11)

And in a separate #liberapay-stream channel:

• Twitter activity
• Diaspora* activity
• Facebook activity

Gratipay uses https://github.com/gratipay/roobot. Another bot I know of is https://github.com/RouxRC/gazouilleur/ but it's centered on Twitter.

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Hey @nayafia :-)

I've been following your work on open source, it's great!

We just launched Liberapay a couple weeks ago, and now that the initial bug-squashing and polishing phase is over I'm reaching out to you because it's potentially relevant to your work, and I'd like to have your opinion on it.

Since you're already familiar with Gratipay (I've seen your call with Chad), I'll put it this way: Liberapay is a fork of Gratipay. I invite you to read this comment about the differences between the two.

What do you think of the recurrent donations model? Do you think it could be part of the solution or that it'll never really work?

Also, I added Liberapay to http://fundingoss.com/ before we launched, can you change the Needs field to "More users making and receiving donations, translators, some legal advice, and developers."?

Thanks. :-)

https://twitter.com/Changaco/status/709757198239461376

[Phil Jackson] How do OSS developers who use Gratipay deal with the fact their projects might have many contributors? Copyright assignment?

[Changaco] I don't see what copyright has to do with it, when you use crowdfunding sites you're not selling licenses.

[Phil Jackson] I'm thinking in terms of a disgruntled developer resorting to litigation. Having cr assignment would mitigate that.

[Changaco] Interesting line of thought, but in what way would the developer claim that his/her copyright is being infringed?

[Phil Jackson] they wouldn't, they might use it to claim amount of work that is theirs in the proj entitles them to $n, but they receive only $m.

[Changaco] The contributor chooses their own take of the income, so they'd have to claim that they're being prevented from taking more.

[Changaco] Also, I don't see how copyright would support such a claim, the work is theirs whether or not they hold the copyright on it.

[Phil Jackson] Not in a legal sense. That's why your employer makes you sign over IP.

[Changaco] We're not understanding each other. You were talking about someone being sued for underpaying a contributor. (1/2)

[Changaco] Well, signing over IP doesn't mean you can't sue your employer for underpaying you. (2/2)

[Phil Jackson] You're right - definite misunderstanding somewhere. Twitter just not a good place for this.

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I had to share this: Who's on my top giving proposal?

Picking up from liberapay/liberapay.com#64 (comment) in which @SimonSarazin asked:

It's maybe an other thread, but i don't clearly see what will be the difference between Gratipay and Liberapay. Is there any information about it ?

We do have a FAQ entry about differences with other platforms that you should read first if you haven't already.

Let's talk specifically about Gratipay here.

Why was Liberapay started? What happened to Gratipay? The way I see it, two things:

• bad luck: Gratipay was basically started in the wrong country, the financial regulations in the US are problematic, and no payment processor (that we know of, at least) exists there that fills all the paperwork for you like Mangopay does in Europe
• questionable decisions: one in particular, kicking out users, pushed me to leave.

What are the differences between the two sites?

Firstly, the differences born out of the Gratipay 2.0 relaunch:

• Gratipay dropped tips to individuals, focusing only on "teams" (but they're not really teams yet). Liberapay kept donations to individuals, and teams that actually work.
• Gratipay requires all teams to be approved, a process that takes more than a week. Liberapay is neutral (it's engraved in its bylaws) and the account creation is immediate.
• Due to the legal obstacles in the US, Gratipay is no longer a donation platform, it's a marketplace where you purchase vague services from teams. Liberapay is explicitly a donations platform, in fact other kinds of payments are forbidden by its terms of use.
• Gratipay tries to hold as little money as possible:
  • You have to set up a Paypal account before you can receive any money. Liberapay only requires basic identity information for that, and can send money directly to your bank account without going through Paypal.
  • A "dues" system was implemented, it makes your income more unpredictable because the risk that patrons will fail to pay when the time comes is higher. Liberapay is designed to stabilize user income, donations are funded in advance and we send an email to donors when their balance is low.

Other differences:

• Liberapay is a non-profit organization, Gratipay is a business.
• The payment processing fees when using Gratipay total more than 5% end-to-end, all going to Paypal. Liberapay is cheaper, around 3% end-to-end in the SEPA zone, and possibly still less than 5% outside even with payout fees.
• Liberapay has started implementing a real communities feature, to address the fact that the problem isn't just money but also communication.
• I'm pretty sure Liberapay's code is cleaner, which may not seem important to you, but it means that I can implement new features faster.
• Liberapay doesn't have the "Gittip crisis" ball and chain.

That's everything I can think of at the moment. I hope this post won't look like a hit piece to the people who will read it.

Ping @whit537 for transparency, feel free to express your point of view. ;-)

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Right now I'm the only one who has access to it, and it's just a normal email account on my personal server. We need something more secure that also allows me to delegate support to others. Gratipay uses Freshdesk, and it looks like the service is free for up to 3 agents, but of course it's not open source. Should we sign up anyway for now, or can we make our own thing with free software in a reasonable amount of time?

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@Calinou Welcome! Any questions about Liberapay's source code or something else? You can ask them here. :-)

Let's kick off this salon with a monthly "what's up?" thread.

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This is Liberapay's monthly "what's up?" thread. Previous: #4.

This is Liberapay's monthly "what's up?" thread. Previous: #36.

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Funding open source tools is a primary goal of Liberapay, let's start with tools Liberapay itself uses.

If you have any questions about translating Liberapay, post them here.

@Zatalyz thinks we need this in addition to our other communication channels (GitHub issues and private support emails). I haven't had time to work on it.

Python software would be ideal, PHP is acceptable if the features are much better.

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Hey @MartinDelille, welcome! Any questions about Liberapay's source code or something else? You can ask them here. :-)

This is Liberapay's monthly "what's up?" thread. Previous: #1.

What if the future of liberapay was running on the block chain? #Blockchain : La nouvelle infrastructure des échanges ?
http://www.internetactu.net/2016/02/17/blockchain-la-nouvelle-infrastructure-des-echanges (par Hubert Guillaud / Internet Actu)
Sorry it is in French but there may be some good article in English too.

I'm opening this topic because I think we should try to advice ourselft for increasing donations. I personally didn't manage to receive any money yet (appart the money token from the Liberapay team: https://liberapay.com/martindelille/

Maybe something's wrong?

I invite peoples interested to post their profile page so we can learn from each other.

This is Liberapay's monthly "what's up?" thread. Previous: #28.

This is Liberapay's monthly news thread, its purpose is to help us achieve #29.

cc @liberapay/media-managers

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Right now Liberapay's bus factor is pretty much equal to one: if I was to disappear the project would die.

• make sure someone else could access everything (servers, emails, Stripe/PayPal/bank accounts, social media accounts, etc) if something happened to me
• recruit another developer capable of dealing with technical issues
• recruit more people into the Liberapay organization, because legally speaking it doesn't exist anymore if it's down to a single member, so it's not safe to have only two members
• make it possible for other people to run payday, without giving them full access to the server (liberapay/liberapay.com#319)

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Like Gratipay's: https://github.com/gratipay/bot

@aandis Would you like to be added to the Liberapay org on GitHub and the team on Liberapay? :-)

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https://liberapay.com/Liberapay/income/

@MartinDelille, you've been contributing code. @finkiki, you contributed translations before the launch. You should both take €0.01 at the very least.

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Share on:

• twitter
• diaspora*, original announce in French
• reddit, possibly relevant subs: /r/opensource, /r/Crowdfunding, /r/freesoftware, /r/coolgithubprojects
• hackernews
• google+
• facebook: Liberapay has a page (your help in maintaining it is very welcome, see #29)

Write:

• create a blog for Liberapay and write a first post about the launch
• linuxfr.org, see the post I made about Gratipay back in the day
• framablog.org

Please help spread the word, but don't spam and don't flood (don't post everywhere at the same time, we need to share regularly, not all-in-one-day). Please post the links here so we can all see and participate. If you have ideas on where else to announce the launch, please post them here too.