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ellinor-rapp avatar ellinor-rapp commented on July 16, 2024 3

made the + a bit smaller and added a "hook" to the t to clarify

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xixixao avatar xixixao commented on July 16, 2024 2

How I write a lowercase t:

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thorn0 avatar thorn0 commented on July 16, 2024 1

It's always clear from the context IMHO. Is the fact that the Latin letter O and Cyrillic O look the same a bad UX?

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thorn0 avatar thorn0 commented on July 16, 2024 1

I found a real-world example where this can be a problem. Formulas like x = t + 1

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anumithaapollo12 avatar anumithaapollo12 commented on July 16, 2024 1

As a user of Excalidraw I have found it difficult to differentiate the two. I would love it if it is modified for better UX. I have attempted in fixing it using FontLab. Let me know what you guys think :)

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thorn0 avatar thorn0 commented on July 16, 2024 1

@anumithaapollo12 Would be good to see these variants in context (in words and in formulas). It's difficult to say anything when they're in isolation.

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dwelle avatar dwelle commented on July 16, 2024 1

Would be good to see these variants in context (in words and in formulas). It's difficult to say anything when they're in isolation.

Agreed. In particular, I'd like to try out the last two variants:

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We need it some playground :)

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anumithaapollo12 avatar anumithaapollo12 commented on July 16, 2024 1

@dwelle Here are examples of the last two variants. My personal choice, the second one as it significantly looks like t.
Lemme know what you think!

Length heightened and width shortened

Screenshot 2021-03-13 at 4 05 10 PM

Width shortened and left protrude

Screenshot 2021-03-13 at 4 23 14 PM

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thorn0 avatar thorn0 commented on July 16, 2024

People really write the t this way, don't they? What problem, exactly, does this create in practice?
Besides, + should normally have spaces on both sides.

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dwelle avatar dwelle commented on July 16, 2024

In practice it makes it pretty much impossible to know whether it's a t or a +.

Even if from context you can eventually decipher it, it's not a good UX:

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Above readers may actually presume you've made a typo.

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dwelle avatar dwelle commented on July 16, 2024

It's always clear from the context IMHO. Is the fact that the Latin letter O and Cyrillic O look the same a bad UX?

I don't imagine it being a problem since you don't mix Cyrillic and Latin much?

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thorn0 avatar thorn0 commented on July 16, 2024

I don't imagine it being a problem since you don't mix Cyrillic and Latin much?

Exactly. Same with +. You normally don't put it in the middle of a word like a letter.

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anumithaapollo12 avatar anumithaapollo12 commented on July 16, 2024

This is an interesting issue! Can I take it up? :)

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dwelle avatar dwelle commented on July 16, 2024

@anumithaapollo12 thanks for helping out! We could also shorten the horizontal line so the vertical one is much taller (I kinda made the vertical one too tall in relation to the other characters):

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anumithaapollo12 avatar anumithaapollo12 commented on July 16, 2024

@dwelle I thought that it would still look similar. I get what just heightening the length looks like.
I've tried a couple more iterations based on your inputs. My personal favourite is the width shortened with left protrude, this way no harm done to the height and we get the looks of lower-case t. Let me know what you think!

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j-f1 avatar j-f1 commented on July 16, 2024

I think something like this (with a pronounced hook) would make the difference really clear.

For example, here is f from Virgil flipped vertically:

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anumithaapollo12 avatar anumithaapollo12 commented on July 16, 2024

@thorn0 @dwelle I'll use it in context to get a clearer picture of the letter!

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