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The phrase "...provides an attribute (e.g. title)" could be unclear to some readers.
Does a placeholder attribute value qualify to be the flat string (accessible name) when no other element (like, label) is present? What happens when both placeholder and title are present?

1. For example, what would be the accessible name in the example below with only placeholder?

<input type="text" placeholder="User Name">
<input type="password" placeholder="Password">

2. With title + placeholder?

<input type="text" placeholder="User Name" title="Email is username">

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At present in 1.1, the fields with only placeholder would have no accessible name because placeholder isn't listed as a valid labeling mechanism, but those with a title attribute would have the accessible name set to the title attribute because no prior mechanism is available.

For 1.2, it seems logical to me that placeholder would be treated like a title and be set as a name as a last resort, but only after title, and if both are present like above, then title would be set to the name and placeholder set to the description.

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This could be related to #11 HTML-AAM should define what happens in these examples per https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/#input-type-text-input-type-password-input-type-search-input-type-tel-input-type-url-and-textarea-element

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We will also need to map the same thing to aria-placeholder.

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In the HTML AAM title is listed as the last naming mechanism for input type text and anchor. For anchor it comes after the sub-tree. The approach from the AAM seems correct -- so how can that be worked into the name calculation algorithm? It seems like title should only be used when no other mechanism is available. I personally don't think placeholder should be used at all for the accessible name calculation but would be fine with it for description.

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Why hoist placeholder into the description? Do AT have no way to access placeholder if they choose to render it? It seems to me that hearing a placeholder as a description just as often be confusing as helpful.

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Fine be me if we want to separate out placeholder into something else. It just seems like there is a limited set of properties that map to platform accessibility APIs.

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Note: the HTML-AAM no longer defines the use of placeholder as a fallback description refer to the change log.

21-Nov-2016: Removed placeholder attribute from accessible description computation for various input elements.

This was changed some while ago after discussion and the introduction of aria-placeholder. The original definition was due to there being no unique defined mapping for placeholder, which as of aria 1.1 is no longer the case.

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