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tcschmidt avatar tcschmidt commented on May 27, 2024 1

A vendor can legally write secret firmware, link it against RIOT according to the bindist example, and provide users with both the suitable (possibly vendored) RIOT source and their own object files. They can later sign their (and only their) full firmware images, and only these will be accepted by the hardware they shipped.

Yes, and my understanding is that nobody wanted to claim otherwise.

The current FAQ statement is on the license helping with final user experience, security and privacy, and those users are not helped by it.

As said: the statement should be sharpened and clarified, yes.

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tcschmidt avatar tcschmidt commented on May 27, 2024

@chrysn not sure, whether this discussion regarding TiVo is really hitting at what was meant by the RIOT comment on licensing. But I agree that we should first identify terms and clarify the semantics of what we want to say on the website.

My understanding: we want to prevent code cloning, which should be covered by LGPL 2.1. Device lock-down should then work as long as devices are community-supported by public LGPL 2.1 code. I don't think the statement intends to refer to a lock-down protection other than that.

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chrysn avatar chrysn commented on May 27, 2024

Device lock-down should then work as long as devices are community-supported by public LGPL 2.1 code. I don't think the statement intends to refer to a lock-down protection other than that.

I don't fully understand what you mean by that.

A vendor can legally write secret firmware, link it against RIOT according to the bindist example, and provide users with both the suitable (possibly vendored) RIOT source and their own object files. They can later sign their (and only their) full firmware images, and only these will be accepted by the hardware they shipped.

The current FAQ statement is on the license helping with final user experience, security and privacy, and those users are not helped by it.

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chrysn avatar chrysn commented on May 27, 2024

It may be worth pointing out here that other OSes under LGPL (3, in that case), have yet different views on what it means on an OS: https://github.com/particle-iot/device-os#license-faq

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