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jansche avatar jansche commented on June 12, 2024 3

Here are a few thoughts:

  • Try making it less Postman-centric. Product reference is good in general, but it has to be clear that the beneficiary is the community, not Postman.
  • Refer to the repository of Collection Format.
  • Point out the open source nature of the project, it's license and how this extension will become part of it in the official project.
  • Sketch out the work that has to go into. Think of it like the necessary steps on the road to building it. The person who will engage on this is junior, a student, or a person still learning. They will need the guidance of a step-by-step plan anyway.
  • I like that it's not an overwhelming scope.
  • Consult with Arnaud how much time went into the OpenAPI mindmap. And then at least triple these hours for the creation of a leaner version.
  • It should fit into 175h of a junior engineering resource.

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Gbahdeyboh avatar Gbahdeyboh commented on June 12, 2024 3

Hey folks!

If you're new here, welcome!

According to the GSoC timeline, applications to GSoD have commenced and will continue till the 4th of April. Here are things to note and helpful resources;

  • Go through the readme of this project's repository.
  • The issues on this projects repo is a good starting point. They are good first issues and are intended to nudge you to get familiar with the collection format and JSON Schema.
  • This livestream , where Kevin and I deep-dived into the collection format, its different use cases, and how it relates to Postman Collections is a really good resource. It is a two hour stream and would be worth it if you have some time to spare.
  • Before you start crafting an application, please go through GSoC Writing a proposal guide.
  • Please take your time to craft your applications properly. Submitting your application at any convenient time before the deadline is okay.
  • This project's scope is limited to creating an interactive mindmap for the collection format. While we may or may not expand this scope, limit your application to just that.
  • If anything is unclear, feel free to ask for clarification. I'll be happy to answer all your questions.

We will have an office hour session this Monday(27th March 2023). Endeavor to join this office hour session. We will review the entire project, what we're looking for in an ideal candidate and how to craft a great GSoC proposal.

Zoom Link => https://www.google.com/url?q=https://postman.zoom.us/j/83887814617?pwd%3DamM3OVRGTWdCOExKWlZ0a1Uvckl4dz09&sa=D&source=calendar&ust=1680011969558703&usg=AOvVaw1fkYN4MaVmCLEDBuF3N-gE

15:00 WAT, 6:00 PST, 19:30 IST, 15:00 CET, and 11:00 BRT.

You can add this event to your calendar by clicking this link.

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jansche avatar jansche commented on June 12, 2024 2

And for inspiration how to write things down, take a look into last year's issues.
https://github.com/postman-open-technologies/gsoc-2022/issues

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Gbahdeyboh avatar Gbahdeyboh commented on June 12, 2024 2

Hi @Huzaifa785.

Thank you for putting this together and for sharing interesting ideas on how we can create more resources around collections. There seems to be some misconception. This project's scope is limited to creating a mindmap for the collection format that can be traversed in an interactive way. While other learning resources can be built, they fall outside this project's scope and should not be the primary focus when crafting a final application. You can go through the readme of this projects repo here.

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snehalchaudhari98 avatar snehalchaudhari98 commented on June 12, 2024 1

Hi everyone, I am Snehal Chaudhari. As a SDE and Computer Science graduate student, I have used Postman for over 4 years now. I have previously worked on collaboration and collection services, which is why I am drawn to this idea. Additionally, my experience in working with D3.js (both in academia and research) will be valuable in proposing plausible solutions. I believe that this proposal is a great way to organize and visualize the different components and properties of the schema, making it a useful reference tool for anyone working with Postman. I have a few ideas that I would like to contribute to this project.
ā€¢ Firstly, for more complex components, categorization of various nodes or annotations would be helpful, along with other properties.
ā€¢ Secondly, to get the most out of interactivity, a testing features with workflow animations within the mind map to help users test their knowledge of the collection format.
ā€¢ Thirdly, embedding code snippets along with nodes for detailed customization could be useful. Lastly, a tree diagrams along with forced layouts would be an interesting feature to show inter-connectivity.
I am really interested on joining any discussion forums(if there any other available) and be a part of upcoming sessions for the same.

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Huzaifa785 avatar Huzaifa785 commented on June 12, 2024 1

Hi @Huzaifa785.
Thank you for putting this together and for sharing interesting ideas on how we can create more resources around collections. There seems to be some misconception. This project's scope is limited to creating a mindmap for the collection format that can be traversed in an interactive way. While other learning resources can be built, they fall outside this project's scope and should not be the primary focus when crafting a final application. You can go through the readme of this projects repo here.

Okay got it, will submit the proposal accordingly.

Hey @Gbahdeyboh šŸ‘‹šŸ»

I am ready with my proposal. I request you to please go through it and provide your valuable feedback for any updates. Here's the link to my proposal: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vIJu5D0BStDoAbidgormmkISCAKWD87_yfaGTBzLoms/edit?usp=sharing

Looking forward to work with you.

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Gbahdeyboh avatar Gbahdeyboh commented on June 12, 2024 1

Hey folks, the Postman OSPO will be live for a Google Summer of Code Q&A session in 2 minutes. #gsoc
Link to zoom session: go.pstmn.io/gsoc-qa

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jaydip1235 avatar jaydip1235 commented on June 12, 2024 1

Hi @siva-kumar-s , I attended the meeting. It was about the GSoC project explanation of postman, how to make proposals, on what things contributors should focus on, and lastly the valuable comments from the mentors of various projects.

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Gbahdeyboh avatar Gbahdeyboh commented on June 12, 2024 1

Hi @siva-kumar-s.

The meeting was recorded and the recording will be shared once it is ready.

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Frs2304 avatar Frs2304 commented on June 12, 2024

Hello! I am very excited to work on this project for GSoC 2023.
Can anyone please confirm me...how can I and where to submit the proposal for this project.

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jansche avatar jansche commented on June 12, 2024

Hello! I am very excited to work on this project for GSoC 2023.
Can anyone please confirm me...how can I and where to submit the proposal for this project.

Hi @Frs2304 ,
We have only applied to participating as an org with GSoC 2023. We will know by Feb 22applied applied be part of this year's program. Please check back by that date to find out how to apply as a student.

Thanks!

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hdck007 avatar hdck007 commented on June 12, 2024

@jansche I would like to work on this for GSOC 2023 been using postman for a while now and I see that this would make visualising the collections and the apis within, also I recently came across https://jsoncrack.com/ and this feels something similar of sorts, lastly is their any task or something that we need to do to be eligible would like to know the further steps.

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BabyElias avatar BabyElias commented on June 12, 2024

Hey! I have been using Postman for some time now, and I have always coupled its use with JSON Visualization tools such as the JSON Viewer Pro chrome extension. It is amazing that we are planning to integrate such features in Postman itself and I would love to contribute in the same. Anyway I can go about discussing about this project with the mentors and seek their views and opinions?

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ishaan812 avatar ishaan812 commented on June 12, 2024

Hey, I love using Postman in general as a backend developer and would love to contribute to it. I think one library we could use is React Flow. I have quite a bit of experience building beautiful graphs with this and would love to help for this project.

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jansche avatar jansche commented on June 12, 2024

Hi folks,
we're currently coordinating mentors and will provide more details as well as answer questions beginning of next week (week of February 27). Please bear with us.
Best regards
Jan

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jansche avatar jansche commented on June 12, 2024

@Gbahdeyboh Can you already answer some of the questions from the comments?

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Gbahdeyboh avatar Gbahdeyboh commented on June 12, 2024

Hi Everyone. I am Gbadebo, you can call me Debo. I am one of the mentors for this project.

I am happy to see you all express interest and enthusiasm in working on this project with me. I am currently working on some learning resource that I'll share soon. It'll help you get started with understanding the collection format, it's structure and how it relates to collections in Postman.

In the mean time, you can read this article that explains what collections are and why they are extremely useful.

To be successful in this project, a very basic understanding of JSON Schema is required. It's okay if you do not already know what JSON Schema is or how it works. I am still learning as well, so we will learn and grow together šŸ™‚.

I want you all to understand that GSoC isn't a competition. It is a learning opportunity, so be supportive to others who are interested in working on this project as well.

We will share more detailed information soon. Please bear with us and do not hesitate to ask any questions you might have.

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imabp avatar imabp commented on June 12, 2024

@Gbahdeyboh

  1. I have previously worked on collections and asyncapi, we can make a low code ui interface, kind of drag and drop items.

  2. Every item can be represented as a node, and we can set every such property inside the node using low code ui.
    Henceforth, giving user a complete picture of the collection json.

  3. We can even have collection templates. This is like a marketplace for collections, where user can save their collection as template, import and reuse it.

We can discuss more on this, if you get the direction in which I am thinking !

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imabp avatar imabp commented on June 12, 2024

@Gbahdeyboh

  1. Only one problem, that I see with my above message, is how do we scale where collection has huge number of nodes.

  2. We should definitely use d3.js, canvas stuff to avoid performance issue. But as always, we may need to pull in cloud workers, if we want to do any heavy computation.

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imabp avatar imabp commented on June 12, 2024

@Gbahdeyboh

  1. Plus, there are things that we should be very careful about
    • Writing parsers to import collections and export collections from the drag and drop interface.
    • This will help users to create things + also if they want to view the json, they can do it.

I will look forward for other mentors views, on how they find this approach?
This will not only help users to know more about collections, but can also be used as a tool to train non-tech people on building collections which can be consumed by postman..

So I see a great potential for this idea. LMK, we can chat

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yashm277 avatar yashm277 commented on June 12, 2024

Hey!
Iā€™m Yash Mundada a second year CS student at BITS Pilani and was interested in contributing to Postman for GSOC '23.
This is not the first time that I have been involved with Postman. I help run the Postman funded lab at BITS Pilani, have also completed the Postman student qualification and had discussions with Abhijit Kane (a cofounder of Postman who is from BITS) about entrepreneurship when he had visited our campus. I have found these experiences to be invaluable and was hoping to have another positive experience by contributing to GSOC.

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Adamlixi avatar Adamlixi commented on June 12, 2024

Hi, This is Adam a master's student from the University of Hong Kong. I have used Postman as a development tool for 2 years.

I think transferring API collections to an interactive mindmap can be very interesting. Because discussion on API design is just between the frontend engineer and backend engineer. I think the mindmap can help more people(such as Product Manager, Project Manager) to have a better understanding of the project.

So, I think I will focus more on how to explain the API using the mindmap in a more understandable way.

By the way, I worked in an E-Commercial company for 2 years and understand there are some communication gaps between developers and other team numbers. Hoping this mindmap would help.

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joshuanoronha avatar joshuanoronha commented on June 12, 2024

Hi everyone, this is Joshua a Master's student. I have worked on HTML, CSS, JavaScript and d3.js extensively and I really like the idea of a visual mind map to view collections, because it aids in understanding the request and response formats properly, this could save a lot of dev effort in understanding the formats (and types).

Additionally, I think that the collapsible part of the tree is really cool because it gives a high level view of the abstracted object. I have a work experience of 3 years where I worked on building e-commerce websites in Vue and Node.js and I would love to work on this project!

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Devanshu-17 avatar Devanshu-17 commented on June 12, 2024

Hey everyone, I am Devanshu Mahapatra, currently a Postman Student Expert and an AIML enthusiast.

I would love to work on this with others and the amazing Postman Team.

I have previously contributed to Open Source in HacktoberFest 2022, and will be glad to work on this issue for GSOC-2023.

And as per @jansche and @Gbahdeyboh I have referred these sites:

In the mean time, you can read [this article](https://blog.postman.com/postman-essentials-exploring-the-collection-format/#:~:text=What%20is%20the%20collection%20format,portable%2C%20shareable%2C%20and%20executable.) that explains what collections are and why they are extremely useful.

To be successful in this project, a very basic understanding of [JSON Schema](https://json-schema.org/understanding-json-schema/) is required. It's okay if you do not already know what JSON Schema is or how it works. I am still learning as well, so we will learn and grow together šŸ™‚.

And am confident on working upon these issues. I also agree with @imabp that we can use d3.js to create the mindmap visualization.

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shubhsinha avatar shubhsinha commented on June 12, 2024

Hello, I am excited to express my interest in this project. As someone who has used Postman for several months, I understand the importance of the collection format and the role it plays in the Postman ecosystem. I appreciate the idea of creating an interactive mindmap as a learning resource for the collection format. I believe this project will not only benefit new users but also serve as a reference for experienced users. I am eager to contribute my skills to this project and help develop a resource that will be useful to many.

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Gbahdeyboh avatar Gbahdeyboh commented on June 12, 2024

Hi everyone! Thanks a lot for your interest in this project. We'll like to have an office hours session this Friday by 16:00 WAT, 7:00 PST, 20:30 IST, 16:00 CET, and 12:00 BRT.

You can join using this link https://postman.zoom.us/j/85601620524?pwd=WVRrcU9Wa0xBemZaekFVd2dUV1Vkdz09

In the meantime, we just released a new documentation for the collection format. If learning about the format interests you, you can learn more about it using this link - https://learning.postman.com/collection-format

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Gbahdeyboh avatar Gbahdeyboh commented on June 12, 2024

Hi everyone. A new repository has been created for this project. I have also created a few good-first issues on that repository. Please feel free to chime in on any of the issues in that repo.

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Huzaifa785 avatar Huzaifa785 commented on June 12, 2024

Hey @Gbahdeyboh šŸ‘‹šŸ»

This is Huzaifa from India šŸ‡®šŸ‡³, a full stack developer, currently working with the MERN stack on a journey of building products to ease the lives of people around the globe šŸŒŽ. I've been working with the MERN stack for almost 2 years now and yeah I have been using postman for testing the APIs on a daily basis. And I remember that once, one of my team members shared a collection of APIs and I was able to execute it easily on my system, so yeah collections have actually made the lives of developers a lot easy. But many of us including me actually face a problem while understanding the micro parameters of the collection in Postman such as request headers, query parameters, request body, response status, etc." These micro parameters are essential to understand in order to effectively use Postman for API testing and development.

And what I understood from the requirements of this project is that we have to create a learning resource for developers to understand the "collections" in "postman" in an interactive manner šŸ‘ØšŸ»ā€šŸ’». There's actually a lot of stuff going on in my mind but let me share with you some of the ideas that can help us and the entire community to understand the "collections" very easily in an interactive way.

These are just some of the ideas I'm thinking to add for understanding collections in an interactive manner, but there are a lot of others:-

  1. Very first, we'll create a dashboard wherein we will visualize and animate the entire "collection format" in a beautiful way.
  2. Another feature is that we can just include a set of mock APIs and let the developers play with it, which will help them to understand it in a better way, as it is said that, you can't learn anything properly if you haven't worked on it, this will actually make the concepts super clear, and yes once the user selects a mock API, our dashboard will generate the mind map or something more interesting than mindmap that will help the user understand it properly.
  3. Now to make it more clear, we can keep some questions on that particular mock API's collection.
  4. I'm also thinking to keep a game inside our dashboard where we can explain this concept in a gamified way.
  5. We can also integrate basic AI, and we can generate a voice explaining the collection while highlighting each unit of the collection as it is being explained, we can consider just this point itself as a complete project, I guess this will actually make it damn easy for the users to understand collections in an actual interactive way.

Yeah, so that's it from my end for now, and I'm super excited to work with you @Gbahdeyboh on this project. Will comment on the good-first-issues soon šŸš€

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Huzaifa785 avatar Huzaifa785 commented on June 12, 2024

Hi @Huzaifa785.

Thank you for putting this together and for sharing interesting ideas on how we can create more resources around collections. There seems to be some misconception. This project's scope is limited to creating a mindmap for the collection format that can be traversed in an interactive way. While other learning resources can be built, they fall outside this project's scope and should not be the primary focus when crafting a final application. You can go through the readme of this projects repo here.

Okay got it, will submit the proposal accordingly.

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Gbahdeyboh avatar Gbahdeyboh commented on June 12, 2024

Hey folks! Looking forward to seeing you all in 30 minutes.

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Gbahdeyboh avatar Gbahdeyboh commented on June 12, 2024

Starting the sync now! See you all on the call.

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jaydip1235 avatar jaydip1235 commented on June 12, 2024

Hi @Gbahdeyboh , any feedback on my proposal https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hwMRcjzhpKe8ev4BLT8vbu-WOGOW8q3F9wTZP__91iI/edit?usp=sharing ?

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siva-kumar-s avatar siva-kumar-s commented on June 12, 2024

I missed the Meeting, so could anyone can share about the meeting what happens and what are the question are asked can anyone share here.

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jaydip1235 avatar jaydip1235 commented on June 12, 2024

Hi @Gbahdeyboh , I have send you a mail. Can you please check it

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UtkarshDixit-py avatar UtkarshDixit-py commented on June 12, 2024

Hey @Gbahdeyboh , I am not taking part in GSOC but this project seems interesting and I'd like to contribute. Will you guys be allowing outside contributions as well ?

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benjagm avatar benjagm commented on June 12, 2024

Closed as completed as part of 2023 edition.

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