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X3msnake avatar X3msnake commented on September 25, 2024

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Guthur avatar Guthur commented on September 25, 2024

@X3msnake I've not got the equipment to do so at the moment, I'm basing a number individuals who have measured it.

I'll try to get hold of something to measure it.

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X3msnake avatar X3msnake commented on September 25, 2024

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ChronoDK avatar ChronoDK commented on September 25, 2024

I got my USB working by formatting with this tool: https://rufus.ie/en/
Select non-bootable, MBR, FAT32.

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mattwithoos avatar mattwithoos commented on September 25, 2024

TL;DR: This is extremely unlikely to be the cause, see @ChronoDK 's comment.

Stumbled across this by accident. I have a faulty Photon Mono X and can (perhaps) rule this theory out, at least for the X.

As the USB spec tolerates +-5% under load, a problematic "low voltage" would be anything under 4.75v. I note a stable 4.98v at rest and under load, but respect that others may have different readings for different models and under different loads for different motherboards.

Honestly, given @Guthur doesn't mention what formatting was factory-applied to the Lexar thumbdrive, I theorise that Lexar drives come preformatted to GPT, which is obviously incompatible - the docs advise formatting to MBR. Tangential evidence online suggests Lexar thumbdrives come preformatted as GPT - https://superuser.com/questions/1438615/usb-drive-not-working

Further, the power draw of a thumb drive is not worth even thinking about. We're talking tiny milliamp ranges, with a max (afaik) of 100mA before you need to write complex firmware logic to request more voltage from the host. You'd likely see other major issues elsewhere if power delivery was so poorly designed that they failed on the USB spec. It's just really unlikely and an unfair assumption to cast doubt over the circuit designers' efforts.

While I don't think I need to say more, the original post contains a lot of hearsay, so I'll share this: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Power-consumption-of-all-devices-idle-read-write-under-USB-11_fig1_4361182 - this not only categorically rules out that the power consumption is a concern, but also completely refutes @Guthur's key assertions on SanDisk's alleged quality. Namely:
a) SanDisk are NOT more efficient (open to being corrected, can you link where you read this?)
b) SanDisk are actually the worst offenders for power consumption

In fact, as their storage goes up, they use more power! So unless the theory is that more power consumption by the USB supported by a high-quality power delivery system is the culprit (which would make it an oxymoron), I think we can rule out the USB port.

I think the nail in the coffin is @ChronoDK 's confirmation that USB read issues were resolved by formatting it as per the docs, which is also the standard advice throughout the community, and also advice which seems to work.

It may make sense to close this issue to not confuse future readers, unless @Guthur is happy to share:

  • A link to the power draw of a SanDisk USB, and a couple of comparable comparison USB powerdraws
  • A link to the discussion where all these "individuals who have measured it" shared their results

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