Note wrongly added because snapshot's too old about organicmaps HOT 13 OPEN

Ah and by the way, thank you for this nice app which is Organic Maps, this kind of app is a good way for the people to discover OSM.

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OK but to get useful and right comment in a note it's better if this note is written after have looked the actual map.
Case i gave in example (https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/4283551) : the organic maps contributor says a shop is closed because he has seen it opened on the map but in fact this shop has been closed in OSM on 2023-07-05 (https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3501719732/history)
Result : a note useless
And in your example "Useful notes can come about different objects, including missing ones", same kind of trouble could occur : the organic maps contributor write a note for a "new" shop he sees but, because his map is 6 months old, this shop already exit, in fact, in the OSM database for 3 months : definitely this is not an "useful" note.
I do think that telling people who want to contribute, even with notes : "sorry, your map is too old (2 months old) ; before posting a note, please upload an actual version" would be a better way.

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Actually I agree with @bmallet.
Since the editor becomes disables when the map is outdated, the same could be done for the notes.

It would be good to prompt users to update when they wish to edit / leave note. Even better would be not just showing an alert, but with giving a direct option to update maps right now.

As for the Place Page indication, I'll keep it in mind for the further PP redesigns. Not sure if it's possible to cramp it in at the moment.

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Do you have any ideas on where to put it?

Maybe we can reuse the edit place button in pp?
With text "Update map to edit place".

And in case of Add Place we can show the alert when user try to open the "add place" with buttons: "update map" (that will opens the download screen) and "cancel" the just close an alert.

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Normally if maps is too old, its not possible to edit map

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related to #6936 and #7930

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Map data edits are blocked without updating maps. Posting notes is not blocked (why should it? Useful notes can come about different objects, including missing ones).

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Right, this issue should be solved by promoting/forcing users to update maps. It can be done by displaying the "Update Map" button in the Place Page, and by displaying a warning/note when editing a note.

@euf @kirylkaveryn @Jean-BaptisteC is it hard to add an "Update Map" button into the Place Page? Do you have any ideas on where to put it? The first "Download" button is already displayed in PP when an empty map region is selected. Maybe always displaying update there will be annoying enough to promote map update? Then just reusing the same button/code but only use a different translation for it would be sufficient?

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This is a cool idea, is it possible to display the download indicator (simplified, just text percents) in the same Edit Place button?

Regarding Add Place, we can offer an action with two items "Update now" and "Update later", WDYT?

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@biodranik can you please check this out?
https://www.figma.com/design/zxnZsa3SBaSAPWG0BmZ3Xh/OM-UpdateMap?node-id=0-1&t=hzbrTvBTUmRC6Jam-1

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Regarding Add Place, we can offer an action with two items "Update now" and "Update later", WDYT?

In case of "Update later" the alert will be closed without any actions right?

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On second thought, showing an alert on each addition is very annoying. Blocking notes and the addition of new objects may do more harm to OSM data than more help. Imagine someone traveling for a month or more, without a large amount of data to update everything downloaded (especially now, without incremental updates implemented), but with enough data to update only an app. Maybe nobody else will travel in 5 years to the same places where a person tries to add objects on the map while offline.

A better solution to this issue would be to promote more frequent map data updates, so fixing #6936 indirectly should also help with this issue.

@bmallet did you write a message to that person, why he/she did not update the Organic Maps app for years?

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i did not write to "LAPR_luis" and looking at his profile (https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/LAPR_luis) it looks like he's not a frequent contributor

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