Usability Bugs : Confusing Default Room Layouts about opentoonz HOT 17 CLOSED

Editing rooms feature was reverted & merged.

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Here are the default layouts of Toonz Harlequin - for anyone who would like to use them instead
OpenToonz.harlequin.zip

They make much more sense to new users!
Put them in
...\openToonzStuff\profiles\layouts\OpenToonz.you

Please add them to opentoonz instead of the current ones.

I am currently changing them to work better with the QT style that open toonz is using and to also use screen estate more efficiently

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I made a few tweaks to the 'drawing' and 'ptedit' rooms. I also added The cleanup (scanning) and xsheet rooms from the original ghibli setup.
I added a viewer to the xsheet room.

Here is the updated version of the rooms layout setup:
OpenToonz.betterRoomsLayout-ver1.zip

So it combines the toonz harlequin setup and the ghibli setup and tweaks them both to make the application much more user friendly. Advanced users can also benefit from it.

And here you can find a shortcuts.ini file that fixes the missing keyboard shortcuts:
#56

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Here are screenshots of the layouts, if anyone wants to evaluate them without installing them:

• Clean
• Drawing
• Animation
• Pltedit
• Xsheet
• Browser
• Farm

How set are these on being used as the new defaults?

Also, this seems like a good place to mention this: on Windows, and only on Windows, the menu bar has different options based on hardcoded room names. This is why the "Drawing," "Animation," "Pltedit," and "Farm" rooms in this layout have a menubar that offers every option in the program—because their names don't match the hardcoded ones.

Any thoughts on whether this is a problem worth addressing? I personally think it's a bit counterintuitive that the menubar is changing constantly, and that customizing the rooms breaks this functionality, but some people might like not having to deal with every option at once.

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There is some wasted horizontal space on the flipbook in the drawing room. I dont know why, but toonz makes it wider every time the application is restarted. Could this be a bug?

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On the layouts - these are the ones that harlequin toonz uses - i modified them a little to have more canvas space. These layouts are the ones that the developer originally designed and intended as defaults.

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@blurymind could you provide those layouts on the google groups forum. It probably be a great help to those learning about opentoonz. Plus it might help prevent duplicates bug reports.

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@odysseywestra already did. The forum is a mess btw - as it has no categories and people create new threads like crazy at the moment. It is hard to find anything.

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I updated the room layouts. It is now slightly better:
OpenToonz.betterRoomsLayout-ver2.zip

• the autokey button in the animation room was hidden by default, now it is visible
• The first room when the software is opened is now the cleanup room
• added the film strip window to the animation room - as i found out that it is necessary to have it next to the x-sheet for dragging drawings from it onto levels in the xsheet.

I also discovered a GUI bug in the film strip window. If you close opentoonz while in a room where the film strip window is docked, next time you open opentoonz, the filmstrip is 2 times wider and is wasting screen estate. See https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/7158216/14099043/ebe7a154-f536-11e5-999b-bae35bd72029.png

Another user friendly good default that I am trying to figure out how to add is having 'Auto Apply' enabled by default in the style editor window.

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Wouldn't it be better to actually create some rooms that are not based on original files from Harlequin? IMO, for copyright reasons anything that's not explicitly open-sourced does not belong into a open-source repository. Veterans and people who like the layouts from Harlequin can still use them. It shouldn't be too hard to come up with some sensible defaults without looking at those files from Harlequin.

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They are based on, but not exactly the same :)
I think the best approach would be to put what makes the most sense. Right
now we have something that doesnt make much sense at all. It is not suited
for welcoming new users either.
On 29 Mar 2016 21:15, "geloescht" [email protected] wrote:

Wouldn't it be better to actually create some rooms that are not based on
original files from Harlequin? IMO, for copyright reasons anything that's
not explicitly open-sourced does not belong into a open-source repository.
Veterans and people who like the layouts from Harlequin can still use them.
It shouldn't be too hard to come up with some sensible defaults without
looking at those files from Harlequin.

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Hello I'm an animator struggling with shortcuts, specifically Tool Modifiers.
I've been trying to set a which a consider a vital shortcut, the "increase or "decrease" Brush size.
And even though it changes in the shortcut editor window, if does not function at all while using the Brush Tools. Do you think it could be fixed ?.

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@AnimatorDave > I can look into it. What shortcuts do you use to increase and decrease your brush size?

Btw someone made a tutorial on how to install the room layouts in this thread:
https://youtu.be/jPhpUUL1aCE?t=3m9s

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Unsurprisingly people at newgrounds found the default ui setup very confusing
http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1406896/5

The other big complain was saving your progress. I opened another bug report for that

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@shun-iwasawa thank you!
Will you consider including more user friendly default layouts to opentoonz stuff folder?

It's not a big problem for me as it is atm, because I can just paste them whenever i install a new version of OT. But it might help make the software more user friendly for new users - easier for them to discover it's features.

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I'm going to post this in two places to get some feedback: What do you think of a toggle in preferences that will let you choose between the Studio Ghibli rooms and the standard rooms? That way the folks who brought this amazing product open source don't lose the layouts they are used to, but the folks who are new to OT have a better chance of catching on. I think the default rooms should be the standard rooms, but I want to hear from other folks. I will start looking in the code for the best place to add it.

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@turtleTooth Toonz harlequin used the same menus in all rooms. I sat down and created a setup that can revert the old room menus from harlequin, while also adding the new toonz ghibli added features:
room1_menubar.zip

To revert the default toonz harlequin menu layout, just use this menubar for all the rooms. You are of course free to further edit it and remove some of the entries on some of the rooms. That is something I am doing myself on further edits.

The toggle is awesome. Thank you for this pull request. It will make open toonz much more user friendly.

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