Nav item label and icon inconsistencies between the two consoles about console HOT 20 CLOSED

@benjaminapetersen This section is meant for "cluster-admin" type of persona, so ideally "app-dev" type of users shouldn't be able to see them. This is a larger scope of next-gen console design efforts UXD will tackle for "PaaS" and "CaaS" experience by only make certain sections visible per persona / use cases.

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We should be able to add some RBAC checks

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The Applications double meaning is definitely confusing.

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@rhamilto https://jira.coreos.com/browse/CONSOLE-631 tracks the RBAC checks for the OLM nav

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Another option would be to add qualifying terms. So, for example, we could use "overview" in both places, but call the project overview "Project Overview" and this view something like "Cluster Overview." That would add both clarity and consistency.

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For 3.11, since we'll be shipping both "App Console" and "Cluster Console" with the context switcher on the masthead, I am wondering if we can still use "Overview" as NavTitle.

Overview page in App Console:

Overview page in Cluster Console

To me, these pages are really just to provide an "overview" under different "contexts", and users should be expecting this too when they flip that switcher on the masthead. Calling this page as "Cluster Overview" is not acurate either since if the user is an app dev (non-priviledged), what they'll see on this page is still scoped to a specified project (per project selector on the top).

So I feel we shouldn't be worried too much in directly calling "Overview" page on both consoles, because they are both overview but just under different perspectives.

Even going forward, the converged console should still provide two types of perspectives (i.e. "PaaS" vs "CaaS" experience, actual terminology is TBD). So I feel these pages are really just to provide an "overview" under different contexts and perspectives.

Thoughts on this guys?

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@rhamilto I believe @stacymcauliffe has been cataloging terminology inconsistencies like this

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If we're going to change the nav names in converged console, would be good to target 3.11 since that's our first OpenShift release for the admin / converged console. In particular, we might consider renaming "Overview" to something like "Dashboard" to avoid confusion with the project overview in the existing console.

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Hi @spadgett , yeah, just chatted about this with @robszumski . We also feel we should change Applications and Open Cloud Catalog wording on Cluster Console side. I'll work out a mock and share it here.

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Additionally, the Applications menu & sub-menu items are pretty useless to a normal user:

So I would also argue that this whole section should be moved down and/or hidden. I'd rather see Overview & Workloads as my first two items.

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Sounds great 😄

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STATUS:

• "Applications" in console is changing to "Operators" with #302, but the RBAC checks remain.
• "Troubleshooting" in console changed to "Monitoring" with #300 (comment)

TODO:

• @benjaminapetersen to add RBAC checks to Operators nav
• Decide on new label and icon for "Overview" in console
• and?

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@rhamilto I liked the suggestion of calling the cluster admin overview "Dashboard" instead, since we have the OpenShift Project "Overview."

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@rhamilto I liked the suggestion of calling the cluster admin overview "Dashboard" instead, since we have the OpenShift Project "Overview."

Any objections or other suggestions?

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The problem with "Dashboard" is now we have a "Dashboards" link under Monitoring that goes to the Grafana UI. (You have to have monitoring set up to see it.)

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The problem with "Dashboard" is now we have a "Dashboards" link under Monitoring that goes to the Grafana UI. (You have to have monitoring set up to see it.)

Thoughts on using "Home"?

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If a user will never see both overview nav options in a single view then I think you make a great point @tlwu2013, there probably is no issue with having both remain as "Overview."

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+1 @tlwu2013 I agree that using Overview for both makes the most sense.

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It sounds like we're keeping Overview. Since the Applications menu was renamed Operators in #302, I think this is fixed.

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