Soap Opera Simulation about 2017 HOT 8 OPEN

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 8:53 AM Jack Urist ***@***.***> wrote: So. This is indeed an early submission, by what, 3 months? Well. I want to try my hand at some kind of soap opera simulation. I suspect that rather than generating a novel per se, this particular attempt will manifest itself best as a script. One that people could theoretically use to act. *I wouldn't recommend it*, but still. So I'm going to be simulating a soap opera, and that means simulating characters! Lots and lots of characters. That means emotional systems for said characters. I think I'm going to use Robert Plutchik's system of classification of emotions <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrasting_and_categorization_of_emotions#Plutchik.27s_wheel_of_emotions>, typically known as "Plutchik's wheel of emotions". There's 8 basic emotions: - joy - trust - fear - surprise - sadness - disgust - anger - anticipation And each of these "primary emotions" per se have 5 states attached to them (I'm using this diagram <http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2zsSl4tM9xY/VNC4J_p2iwI/AAAAAAAACqI/eyPhNyxAgsE/s1600/IMG_20150203_172727.JPG> as a simple basis) and these are: - *Stimulus event*, which is what causes the character to feel a particular emotion - *Cognite appraisal*, which is a linguistic summation of the emotion - *Feeling state*, i.e. the actual emotion itself - *Behavioural reaction*, which is what the character does as a result of the emotion - *Function*, which is based on the utility of the character's action (e.g. anger is for destroying obstacles) These primary emotions then combine into dyads, which are feelings made up of two separate emotions. And that's only for my emotions. I also want to set up my characters to have personalities and moods, such that these three components (emotion, mood, personality) affect each other in a constant feedback loop. And not only do I want to have my characters act like this, I also need to create some form of drama. Which is, in true soap opera fashion, likely going to revolve around romance, secret relationships, extramarital affairs, hatred, adultery, and so forth. Wow. I've gone and done it this time, haven't I. At least I have another 3 months to dig my hole deeper. — You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#4>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAd6Gfuv7RMJDwYJ4BuQPcE2OkkbPYiHks5sXaA6gaJpZM4O1aCa> .

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 7:47 AM Jack Urist ***@***.***> wrote: @enkiv2 <https://github.com/enkiv2> That is indeed the dream. Positive emotions send a little reward signal to characters, and negative emotions send a punishment signal. Reward and punishment signals alter their mood - which they're always trying to get as high as possible. All the operations that cause joy in people will be really soap-opera-y things like affairs or other things, which is good because of your point - there are no actions that will provide free happiness, only continuous trade-offs (but these trade-offs occur between different people). The ideal - which I highly doubt my ability to create - would be to somehow keep track of social relations, such that people can be friends, enemies, lovers, etc. That also brings in the problem of more relationships to keep track of with, at a rate of n!(n-1)!/2 relations per n people. — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#4 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAd6GQcSftLtHfNWkqOrlWLXYQWt6wmmks5sYDPggaJpZM4O1aCa> .

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 8:05 AM John Ohno ***@***.***> wrote: That's a cool idea. I was only thinking of planning a couple steps ahead, but if you have a set of states that bring positive emotions by themselves then you can simulate the kind of poor-long-term-planning soap opera characters do (ex., if being in a relationship brings 1 joy units and having an affair brings 1 joy units but having your mate find out about your affair brings -10 joy units, a really naive/greedy planner will choose to cheat and keep it secret pretty reliably; if ruining an enemy brings 2 joy units, people will backstab all the time, and if betrayal turns friends into enemies and having more common enemies than common allies causes making an alliance to have 0.5 joy units then people will constantly shift alliances because they can't think about the ramifications of betrayal). On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 7:47 AM Jack Urist ***@***.***> wrote: > @enkiv2 <https://github.com/enkiv2> That is indeed the dream. Positive > emotions send a little reward signal to characters, and negative emotions > send a punishment signal. Reward and punishment signals alter their mood - > which they're always trying to get as high as possible. > > All the operations that cause joy in people will be really soap-opera-y > things like affairs or other things, which is good because of your point - > there are no actions that will provide free happiness, only continuous > trade-offs (but these trade-offs occur between different people). > > The ideal - which I highly doubt my ability to create - would be to > somehow keep track of social relations, such that people can be friends, > enemies, lovers, etc. That also brings in the problem of more relationships > to keep track of with, at a rate of n!(n-1)!/2 relations per n people. > > — > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > > > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > <#4 (comment)>, or mute > the thread > <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAd6GQcSftLtHfNWkqOrlWLXYQWt6wmmks5sYDPggaJpZM4O1aCa> > . >

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 8:51 AM Jack Urist ***@***.***> wrote: Yes to everything you've written. And I hadn't considered the object oriented model for my characters. I really shouldn't have gotten into this, I don't have the faintest idea what I'm doing Well, time for me to start reading up on what I can do then. — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#4 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAd6GexAj1oxZBpVGBVrEwy71DTI1Byaks5sYELNgaJpZM4O1aCa> .