Trying to resolve 'conda not found' error with a miniforge environment about jupyterlab-desktop HOT 8 CLOSED

@kburchfiel the bundled environment is a conda environment (generated using miniconda). We use conda-forge channel by default for bundling the environment and for new environments created by the app. These make sure the app complies to Anaconda rules. @bollwyvl did you have any other details to share on this matter?

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yes, (as far as I know) you don't need to pay to Anaconda to use JupyterLab Desktop and the bundled environment. You can check this Anaconda blog post which supports that too.

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Here is the conda-forge take on it:

https://conda-forge.org/blog/2020/11/20/anaconda-tos/

To my understanding, and IANAL, what are encumbered are the non-free, mostly repackaging of (mostly) conda-forge feedstocks:

• miniconda
  • this includes the one GitHub re-distributes on their runners, etc.
• the "Anaconda individual" distribution
• anaconda navigator
• anything downloaded from anaconda.com
  • might even include repodata.json, dunno
• anything downloaded from:
  • anaconda.org/defaults
  • anaconda.org/msys2

I therefore generally recommend avoiding all of the above by open source projects, and by extension, corporate downstreams that are looking at this stuff.

Other conda-compatible distributions built on miniforge, (e.g. mambaforge), micromamba, pixi distributions are not encumbered by the Anaconda, Inc. ToS, and are fully bootstrapped from the repos on https://github.com/conda-forge. This includes the conda-forge/m2-* packages, needed to bootstrap the free POSIX environment on win-64.

Of course, on non-free platforms/compilers (osx-?, win-64) it isn't always 100% clear what your rights are regarding binary packages. And further, of course, this also ships basically an operating system (chromium) and another language runtime (nodejs), good luck untangling what exactly is in those, if you actually need to audit what licenses are coming in. I basically guarantee there's some (A)GPL code lighting up before you start a kernel, but definitely once you start doing any real compute. So don't go white-label reselling this stuff.

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I installed JuptyerLab's bundled Python environment to see if it would allow me to run Python instead. Interestingly, once I installed it, I was able to open up a notebook and run it using my custom environment, even though there still wasn't a conda path specified within the settings menu. (This switch involved setting both the environment, near the top right of the program, and the kernel, located a bit below the environment, to my custom Conda environment.)

This solution works fine for me, although I do have one follow-up question: does the bundled environment use Anaconda? Anaconda updated its terms of service to require payments for commercial use in certain cases (which is why I switched over to miniforge), so I wanted to make sure that installing this environment wouldn't require me to make payments to Anaconda.

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@mbektas Can you answer this question about whether the bundled Python environment uses Anaconda, and if so, what changes customers need to make to use alternatives such as miniforge?

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@mbektas That's very helpful to know, thank you! So just to confirm, I don't need to pay Anaconda to use JupyterLab Desktop's bundled environment, correct? (I'm guessing that's what you meant by 'complies to Anaconda rules.')

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Thanks so much for the confirmation and detailed explanations, @mbektas and @bollwyvl!

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