Non-dropping particles in authors' names apparently not properly handled when using .bib files, but properly handled if using a .json about pandoc HOT 8 CLOSED

Transferring to pandoc, which handles conversion from bib.

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Pandoc converts the .bib into a native pandoc reference list, which is used with citeproc.
You can see what it converts to by doing:

 % pandoc name-particles.bib -t markdown -s
---
nocite: "[@*]"
references:
- author:
  - family: van Inwagen
    given: Peter
  container-title: Philosophical Studies
  doi: 10.1007/bf01624156
  id: "vaninwagen:1975"
  issue: 3
  issued: 1975
  page: 185-199
  title: "[The incompatibility of Free Will and Determinism]{.nocase}"
  type: article-journal
  volume: 27
---

(I removed the Lewis citation.) If it were

  - family: Inwagen
    given: Peter
    non-dropping-particle: van

then we'd be good.

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It works if you remove the {} around van Inwagen and add options={useprefix=true} (useprefix is described in the biblatex manual; bibtex itself has no concept of non-dropping particles, I think).

@article{vaninwagen:1975,author = {van Inwagen, Peter},options={useprefix=true},date = {1975},title = {{The incompatibility of Free Will and Determinism}},journal = {{Philosophical Studies}},volume = {27},number = {3},pages = {185--199},doi = {10.1007/bf01624156},kw-level1 = {determinism;},kw-level2 = {free-will;},num-sort = {147057}}

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@jgm thanks a lot for the quick feedback!

using

@article{vaninwagen:1975,author = {van Inwagen, Peter},options={useprefix=true},date = {1975},title = {{The incompatibility of Free Will and Determinism}},journal = {{Philosophical Studies}},volume = {27},number = {3},pages = {185--199},doi = {10.1007/bf01624156},kw-level1 = {determinism;},kw-level2 = {free-will;},num-sort = {147057}}

does improve things. Only one detail missing, with a CSL using demote-non-dropping-particle="display-only" and a macro for contributors (that gets printed first in the bibliography) that looks like this:

  <macro name="contributors">
    <group delimiter=". ">
      <names variable="author">
        <name and="text" name-as-sort-order="all" sort-separator=", " delimiter=", " delimiter-precedes-last="never">
          <name-part name="family" font-variant="small-caps"/>
        </name>
        <label form="short" prefix=", "/>
        <substitute>
          <names variable="editor"/>
          <names variable="translator"/>
          <names variable="director"/>
          <text macro="substitute-title"/>
          <text macro="title"/>
        </substitute>
      </names>
      <text macro="recipient"/>
    </group>
  </macro>

in the visual CSL editor we get the sorting of the bibliography correct (van Inwagen under "I"), and it gets printed in the bibliography as "van Inwagen, Peter". However, with your suggestion we get the ordering right, but the name renders as "Inwagen, Peter van". Any clue on this one? I thought all the issues would go away if we could find a way to tell pandoc which one is a non-dropping particle, but apparently there's something more going on.

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However, with your suggestion we get the ordering right, but the name renders as "Inwagen, Peter van".

Does this also happen with the CSLJSON bibliography with non-dropping-particle?
If so, then it's a citeproc issue and not an issue of bibtex conversion.

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However, with your suggestion we get the ordering right, but the name renders as "Inwagen, Peter van".

Does this also happen with the CSLJSON bibliography with non-dropping-particle? If so, then it's a citeproc issue and not an issue of bibtex conversion.

@jgm I just noted that yes, it also happens when using the .json bibliography (ordering correct, but name renders as "Inwagen, Peter van"). It is the exact same csljson uploaded to the visual CSL editor though, and both my local pandoc and the visual editor have the same csl.

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@jgm should I open another issue at citeproc?

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Yes, let's close this one and open a new one at citeproc, with the CSL JSON bibliography and actual and expected output.

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