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georgd avatar georgd commented on June 23, 2024 3

I also read that as a recommendation in German. I think it was by Tschichold.

I've been waiting for this one 😉. Sounds very much like Bringhurst and Tschichold.

I think, I'll implement it but it'll have to wait until after unifying the two versions. Major changes won't happen in the 0.016 branch any more.

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georgd avatar georgd commented on June 23, 2024 2

No, that's not true for all renaissance typefaces. The earlier Venetian italic typefaces usually had upright uppercase letters so it's very probable that no slanted parentheses were used. This can be seen in early French types too. But italics by messieurs Granjon and Garamont definitely do contain slanted parentheses.

This said, upright parentheses won't replace the slanted ones but I am committed to adding them as an alternative.

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georgd avatar georgd commented on June 23, 2024

What's the background of this usage? Is it a common requirement in a certain field?

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amarakon avatar amarakon commented on June 23, 2024

It is simply a typographic convention. The Elements of Typographic Style by Robert Bringhurst says:

Parentheses and brackets are not letters, and it makes little sense to speak of them as roman or italic. There are vertical parentheses and sloped ones, and the parentheses on italic fonts are almost always sloped, but vertical parentheses are generally to be preferred. That means they must come from the roman font, and may need extra spacing when used with italic letterforms

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RGB-es avatar RGB-es commented on June 23, 2024

It is simply a typographic convention. The Elements of Typographic Style by Robert Bringhurst says:

That depends on the language, it seems. In Spanish, if the enclosed text is all in italic the parenthesis must be in italic, but if the enclosed text is mixed, then you must use the upright parenthesis.

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georgd avatar georgd commented on June 23, 2024

Historically, at least, Granjon created sloped round parentheses for his Italics.

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timgrei avatar timgrei commented on June 23, 2024

I also read that as a recommendation in German. I think it was by Tschichold.

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amarakon avatar amarakon commented on June 23, 2024

Update: I think you should make this the default behavior instead of something that should have to be turned on by the user through an OpenType feature. Just like how the vertical bar (|) is not slanted in italic faces, it does not make sense for parentheses and brackets to be slanted in italic faces. Renaissance typographers used unslanted parentheses in italic text, even if they are part of the italic text and not just surrounding it. Perhaps there should be a feature to make them slanted, but that should not be the default behavior.

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georgd avatar georgd commented on June 23, 2024

[Sorry for the editing/closing/reopening chaos. I'm currently on my phone and clumsily stumbled over the controls]

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