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GMLudo avatar GMLudo commented on August 14, 2024

Hi,

If you want to add an URL in Flask application to use sqlalchemy, why not, I can benchmark that.

We don't use ORM because:

  1. With psycopg2.extras.RealDictCursor we retrieve a dict for each record, it's enough to access easily to columns
  2. We improve performances to avoid a layer
  3. We do very complex queries (until 100 lines of SQL) to generate quickly statistics or for BI. We need more time to write that with ORM instead of SQL, and in some cases, it's impossible with ORM.
  4. We use advanced features of PostgreSQL like jsonb or WITH statement. Again, we save our time to write SQL directly.
  5. When we have an issue, it's only a SQL issue, not also a ORM issue.

In short, for economical reasons, we don't use ORM.

Regards.

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neurosnap avatar neurosnap commented on August 14, 2024

Thanks for the quick response, it makes a lot of sense.

I was thinking more about the benchmarking of Flask, adding an ORM certainly comes with overhead, but it's how most people interact with PostgreSQL, which is what I'm mostly interested in.

Anyway, let me know if you need anymore help, happy to lend a hand.

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GMLudo avatar GMLudo commented on August 14, 2024

If you want to propose a pull request with Flask+sqlalchemy, it's ok for me, even if we should attract some haters from sqlachemy community with the next benchmark, after flask and django communities ;-)
In the same time, it should be interesting to show the "cost" of an ORM.
But, please, your sqlalchemy should generate the same SQL query I use in my benchmark to compare apples with apples.
I've tried with Django-ORM, but finally, I didn't success.

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