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kdlong avatar kdlong commented on July 22, 2024

Thanks Meng, this looks quite nice! Can you give a little information about how the plots/data are obtained?

  • What objects are you using in the plots? ls it LHE-level info accessed from the LHE file or from the LHE EDM file?
  • Do you plan to make the sample plots using the full definition of the process we use in CMS (merged with 2 NLO jets) using GEN information rather than ? I think it would be best to do this with a centrally requested GEN-only sample.

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perrozzi avatar perrozzi commented on July 22, 2024

Hi, adding Adinda (@adewit) who is also looking at this

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menglu21 avatar menglu21 commented on July 22, 2024

Hi Kenneth,

  • i did not post the lhe plot here. the plots are from gen-level, and they are the same but the bottom one is in log-scale.
  • yes, i plan to proceed on with the inclusive DY sample to get some plots.

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adewit avatar adewit commented on July 22, 2024

Hi, I'm a bit late to the party but I have been looking at this for DY with up to 1 jet, trying to enhance the Z pT tail, some slides are attached. Here everything seems to be working too, although care has to be taken to make sure there is a reasonable constant term so a sensible number of 0 jet events are generated, so as not to end up with huge uncertainties.
BiasWeightValidation_0811_AdeWit.pdf

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perrozzi avatar perrozzi commented on July 22, 2024

Thanks a lot Meng and Adinda!

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bendavid avatar bendavid commented on July 22, 2024

Hi, as a final sanity check before declaring this technically validated, it would also be useful to check this with the inclusive W process, starting from https://github.com/cms-sw/genproductions/tree/mg26x/bin/MadGraph5_aMCatNLO/cards/examples/wellnu012j_5f_NLO_FXFX

The definition of the W pt of course would need to be modified, adapting from the pt-binned cards
https://github.com/cms-sw/genproductions/blob/pre2017/bin/MadGraph5_aMCatNLO/cards/production/13TeV/WJetsToLNu_Wpt_012j_5f_NLO_FXFX/WJetsToLNu_012j_Wpt-100To250_5f_NLO_FXFX/WJetsToLNu_012j_Wpt-100To250_5f_NLO_FXFX_cuts.f#L82-L85

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bendavid avatar bendavid commented on July 22, 2024

It would also be good to explicitly check the jet multiplicity both at LHE and genjet level.

At LHE level this can be done both by just counting the number of outgoing partons, but also by plotting the value of the "npNLO" tag. In fact both would be useful, since the latter corresponds to the actual matrix element/process used.

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menglu21 avatar menglu21 commented on July 22, 2024

hi all, i have done the validation of process DY+1jet, i just attach all the file i got as i do not know how to present it in a better way.
aa.tar.gz

and pleasae go to https://indico.cern.ch/event/679779/contributions/2784192/attachments/1555941/2446789/Validation_of_MG_26x.pdf to see some production detail.

we have produced the gridpacks of DY+0/1/2 jets w/o bias, and we wish to do a GENOnly request in next MccM

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adewit avatar adewit commented on July 22, 2024

Hi, I've now added some checks on the number of partons, npNLO, and number of gen jets, as well as the W+ up to 1 jet process. The checks are summarised in the attached slides, from slide 10 onwards (the first 9 slides come from the slides I posted here previously). In summary: the number of gen jets/partons are compatible between biased and unbiased productions. In the case of W+up to 1 jet the discrepancies between unbiased and biased distributions seem to be a little bit larger than in the case of DY+up to 1 jet, although still mostly compatible.
BiasWeightValidation_1311_AdeWit.pdf

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