Using GitHub Projects featue for Kanban for BSS? about bssw.io HOT 6 CLOSED

We are experimenting with GitHub Projects (GP). Your arguments for waffle.io are reasonable. Some positive points about GP:

• It is integrated into GitHub, so we do not have to bring people to a new tool site.
• We can have more than one GP project, so projects can be smaller and more manageable.

One problem with waffle.io:

• Response times are impacted when working with large numbers of issues.

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Here is another problem with GitHub Projects. I just closed the issues #24 and #25 but they are still shown "In Review" on the GitHub Project board:

• https://github.com/betterscientificsoftware/betterscientificsoftware.github.io/projects/1

With waffle.io, when you close an issue in GitHub, it automatically gets moved to the "Done" column in waffle.io.

All of this points to the fact that GitHub Projects is very immature and (ironically) is actually not really very well integrated with GitHub Issues.

I sure hope GitHub fixes this Projects feature because it is just pretty bad right now.

I am not sure why we want to be early adopters of GitHub Projects.

Now to address some of comments from @maherou above:

Some positive points about GP:

• It is integrated into GitHub, so we do not have to bring people to a new tool site.

Ironically, GitHub Projects are not very well integrated.

You get a link "Ready" to waffle.io right in the README.md for projects. See the top of the README.md files at:

• https://github.com/trilinos/Trilinos
• https://github.com/TriBITSPub/TriBITS

and it is easy to call it out like at:

• https://github.com/TriBITSPub/TriBITS/wiki/Kanban-Process-for-Issue-Tracking

• We can have more than one GP project, so projects can be smaller and more manageable.

Yes but I don't see a use case why you would want to do that. What is the use case?

One problem with waffle.io:

• Response times are impacted when working with large numbers of issues.

I have not seen many problems for Trilinos.

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CC: @tgamblin

As I noted at the meeting today, GitLab appears to have implemented a Kanban board pretty well. It uses labels for Kanban stages, allows filtering the Kanban board (or just any issue query) based on author, milestone, or label, and changes between the board and the Issues are perfectly synced up. I hope GitHub takes note and addresses these problems.

Anyway, does the IDEAS-ECP project really want to be an early adopter for using the GitHub Projects feature to run our Kanban process? If so, for what purpose? If we just want to use Kanban and be productive, one would argue that we should go with waffle.io for now. However, if we want to use IDEAS-ECP resources to push on GitHub to improve the GitHub Projects feature for Kanban then that is fine. I just think we have better things to do with our time. I can guarantee that other users have already raised these issues so I don't know how much good it would do for use to get involved in that task as well. And just because a lot of users request something does not mean that GitHub will get to it very soon. For example, see the well-known "Dear GitHub" :

• https://github.com/dear-github/dear-github

But if/when GitHub improves GitHub Projects, then we can use that for a Kanban process.

Just my opinion but this has been bothering me.

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I have had more trouble with waffle.io being down than being slow. That said, It is just as easy, if not easier to work most of the time through label changing, rather than through the waffle.io interface. I just look at waffle when I want to actually look at the board, but when I am just working with issues, I just manipulate labels.

I have not used GitHub Projects much at all, but what I have seen seems more of an idea in progress than a useful feature. I suspect it will improve a lot, probably sooner than later.

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@bartlettroscoe Can this be closed or updated?

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Can this be closed or updated?

Yes. woffle.io is now defunct and the GitHub Project feature is much much better.

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